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I feel like I was never really taught to be a man, even though my parents browbeat me about "growing up" i never felt like I learned anything. For ten years I have been getting tattooed, pierced, branded, and scarred all in the vain of aboriginal cultures ...and even have done all of those things to myself.. and at age 33, I still feel like I am stumbling into manhood blindly. I really resent our culture for lacking true and useful teachings and initiations.
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Re: Self Initiation
Sat, October 9, 2004 - 2:45 PMVery admirable approach Cavewizard, I think it is great that you have grappled with this type of self initiatory process.
While I can appreciate the level of seriousness that your body modification represents in terms of your journey, I wonder if your reasons for this path are for the initiation you speak of. There can be no doubt that discipline carried out upon the phsysical can have enormous transformative effects which can reveal aspects of the self and its relationship to the universe - still the mental and emotional aspects of being require similar ordeals.
Tattoos, Piercings, brandings and other body mod techniques can be ritualized toward inititory gnosis, but perhaps having mastered that one could move into other equally important areas of the self. [Caveat: I bring these points up as hypothetical and for the sake of the discussion, I do not mean to imply that you need work in these areas - how could I know?].
When you say 'stumbling' what do you mean? What aspect of things represent that stumbling block? Those 'blocks' are key to understanding the crux of the situation and point the way to issues worth considering.
Self initiation can be tough since it requires a conscious and careful attention to the threshold you are crossing - it may be difficult to recognize the habit patterns which can be quite obvious to someone outside and [ in the case of a good initiator] objective of you. Nonetheless it is a laudable activity and can prepare one for further initiations.
Our 'culture' indeed has problems in terms of initiation simply because it requires a deep look into one's personal abyss - an act few are willing to negotiate let alone pass through. -
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Re: Self Initiation
Sat, October 9, 2004 - 4:43 PMI think that my particular stumbling block is that I have all of this american southern christian crap that i am still shaking off like a bad case of fleas. i feel i have the awareness, the knowledge and the know-how to bring myself to a higher ground, but that mountain is still just at my fingertips and i have a lot of skins to shed before i get there. i will get there, and i work really hard, but i get frustrated, cause like i said, i have all of that garbage i grew up with following me, and that stupid american mentality of wanting it before i earn it, even though i slow myself down and make myself realize that i still have more work to do, its still there and i have to slay it like a goddamn dragon every time. -
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Re: Self Initiation
Sat, October 9, 2004 - 5:51 PMI can relate to the ongoing syndrome, and it is ongoing, though I dare say that dedication can make it a somewhat smoother process.
The conditioning you describe is present in many aspects of society, religious, educational, lifestyle scenes, etc. Blind repetition of the dogmas established in these arenas support the ignorance that they foster. Ignorance IS the factor. It can be quite difficult to wade through the morass of established conditions such as these, but acceptance of peoples ignorance helps to a degree.
Ofcourse it is a different story altogether if one follows dogma with intention, as say the buddhists do. They are up front about the fact that what they teach IS dogmatic, but warn against the dangers of a blind faith. It is fine to work with such dogmas, I tend to call them 'formulas', they can assist when embraced with awareness.
In terms of the American desire for quick fixes, one can take on the aspects of an evolved being immediately - sometimes this shift can take hold as soon as one takes the step, other times it is like invoking what Peter Lamborn Wilson calls 'the catastrophy machine'. Some prefer the Tarot reference in this regard: The Blasted Tower.
A flash of divine revelation which destroys the preconcieved idea and causes the illusion to fall away. A painful process perhaps, but an evolutionary one.
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Re: Self Initiation
Sun, October 10, 2004 - 10:40 AMThe tower card is indeed the card of cards in regards to initiation.
Self initiation is difficult. By it's very nature initiation is something that cannot be prepared for. often times it seems some deeper or "higher" part of ourselves must carefully plan it while we ourselves are completely unaware. Initiation is SHOCK, just as the lightning in the tower card strikes suddenly and without warning, it can only be initiation if it truelly exposes us to that which is utterly outside of our realm of experience and understanding. In that regard, self initiation takes a level of integrity, self honesty and adaptabillity which is rare in most individuals.
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